How the hell does the cab removal work in Tonex?

[pipelineaudio]

I tried a capture I made without a cab against a capture that had a cab then hit the cab removal button in tonex and they didn't come anywhere near nulling. What in the world is that thing supposed to do?

 

[Mongillo19]

As you've found whatever they do isn't accurate. Better off making a DI and Mic version separate.

Hence why it was neat when Kemper came out with merged profiles that made the cab removal more accurate allegedly

 

[mavrick102000]

"Work". not so much. I think the technical term is partially/poorly.

 

[norminal]

 

[mavrick102000]

There are some good captures out there. But you need to like the cab unless it's a DI where you can cleanly add your own IR.

One tell on the fact that the IR cannot be separated from a capture is the huge volume jump when you add your IR. Sometimes it can be a good tone/sound, but it won't sound like your normal IR.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Is there no way to change IR levels?

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Is there no way to change IR levels?

IK used to do that for you, early versions of ToneX would make 3rd party IR’s way too quiet.

I really wish they offered something akin to Kemper’s “merged profiles”. For instance the software could capture a direct amp and IR in the same pass and organise things accordingly. Would be dead simple to do.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Hmmm, tonex is DEFINITELY doing something to the IRs. I did a software capture of a simple filter into an IR and then one of just the simple filter

Playing them back in two instances with one polarity flipped does not null

 

[pipelineaudio]

Doing a video right now. The no cab capture then add an IR after the capture is WAY closer to the original than the amp and IR as a capture

 

[quadgear]

Doing a video right now. The no cab capture then add an IR after the capture is WAY closer to the original than the amp and IR as a capture

Twice as much information....

 

[pipelineaudio]

What did I get myself into? Aren't you guys supposed to stop me?

 

[northern_fox]

It's not possible to separate the cab from the full profile because there isn't enough information to do so. Honestly I think kemper did it better but it was still not right. DI profiles are the best way to go in my opinion

 

[Orvillain]

Yeah this concept has always been a bit of a miss for me. It sounds cack on Kemper, and cack in ToneX.

Personally, I think you're better off just getting a load-box or a Neve DI between the head and a real cab, and making your captures that way.

 

[AFKAEjay]

I assume it works like it does with the Kemper…it subtracts an estimation of the CAB from the sound.
Offcourse that’s never gonna be 100% right…usefull feature nonetheless.

If you want it right…do a DI profile. If you run a Kemper…also do a full profile and merge them…that gets you an accurate Cab capture.