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If he's ALSO direct monitoring (which he should be at this point), it IS kind of annoying...
If he's ALSO direct monitoring (which he should be at this point), it IS kind of annoying...
If he’s monitoring vocals…even the slightest latency is an issue
True…so there must be a threshold where latency also is acceptable for singers.Also, if it was a general issue, pretty much no singer could work with IEMs live. I mean, pretty much all consoles are digital these days, so there's at least some latency involved. Add to this that I was working with plenty of singers in a production using a first generation Aviom monitoring system, introducing around 5+ms (IIRC) on its own already. There's never been much complaints. An easy trick pretty often is to add some room FX just for the monitoring path.
If I’m correct my daw runs at 5 Ms…and I wouldn’t offer that as a monitor mix ever. But..maybe what the settings say doesn’t add up to the actual latency..never measured it.
For guitar playing I’m fine with 5 Ms..5ms should be absolutely fine in terms of timing, even some discriminating folks should have rather little issues with that (after all, 5ms equal less than 2 meters of sound travel), so in general, all you need to do is to take care that things don't add up - which they sometimes unfortunately do. Just to name these:
- Digital consoles of unknown variety, and even more so, unknown operators ("noonoo, I promise, there's no FX on your monitoring path" - and I was detecting a (lookahead?) limiter after the show...)
- DSP controlled monitors.
- Digital wireless systems.
Still, you can usually get along with all these (fwiw, that's why I always try to bring my own wedge or little analog mixer on IEM jobs, so my own signal is 100% as I know and want it).
Singers usually can get away with, too. After all, their "instrument" isn't exactly transient-heavy and it's also not that the average singer would be an in-the-pocket-timing-monster. But then there's the "phasing-through-skull" effect, which can be quite nerve-wrecking to deal with, especially in case you need to set up your singer's monitoring scenario.
For guitar playing I’m fine with 5 Ms..
For singers in a recording session , at least the ones I record..the phasing is not acceptable, and I totally agree…
I mean…you could get by with it, survive the session…but that’s not what recording should be about imo.
Again, not 100% where the threshold lies…but phase issues happen fast
You obviously never worked with my girlfriend….However, next time, try to trick them out and raise the latency (somewhat over 10ms). Seriously, give it a testrun!
You obviously never worked with my girlfriend